From: Alex Henrie <alexhenrie24@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] Improved file association desktop integration
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 14:40:53 -0600
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 2:27 PM Nikolay Sivov <bunglehead@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:22 PM Alex Henrie <alexhenrie24@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 2:05 PM Nikolay Sivov <bunglehead@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:54 PM Alex Henrie <alexhenrie24@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 1:49 PM Nikolay Sivov <bunglehead@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:45 PM Alex Henrie <alexhenrie24@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:29 AM Francois Gouget <fgouget@free.fr> wrote:
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>> >> >> > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, Alex Henrie wrote:
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>> >> >> > > The big change here is rewriting the patches to avoid the term
>> >> >> > > "blacklist", which I have replaced with "naughty list".
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>> >> >> > In this context it's not clear what naughty means. What in a file
>> >> >> > extension is "badly behaved, disobedient or mildly rude or indecent"?
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>> >> >> Several built-in Wine programs are badly behaved in the sense that
>> >> >> they associate themselves with file types that native desktop programs
>> >> >> are better suited to open.
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>> >> > Would it be a problem to remove such integration completely? I can't think of a good scenario when it would be useful.
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>> >> The associations have to be in Wine for programs that call `start.exe
>> >> <file>` to open a file.
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>> > This has to be a prefix configuration, not affecting opening/strating things through DE. E.g. 'wine start test.txt' supposedly expected to open notepad,
>> > that doesn't have to be configured for DE associations. Maybe you're talking about something else, I meant this part:
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>> > >> Several built-in Wine programs are badly behaved in the sense that
>> > >> they associate themselves with file types that native desktop programs
>> > >> are better suited to open.
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>> > Builtin programs or installed programs only need shell extensions stuff in registry to open via 'wine start',
>> > they don't have to touch system configuration.
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>> > Is that a different issue?
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>> If I understand you correctly now, you're proposing to get rid of
>> desktop integration for associations altogether. I imagine that would
>> be very undesirable for people who use MS Office on Linux through
>> Wine. I'd also like to be able to install Steam games in the Windows
>> client by browsing https://store.steampowered.com/ in the native
>> browser and then clicking steamapp:// links that open in Wine.
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> That becomes unusable once you have more than one prefix (I believe desktop integration does not specify WINEPREFIX for launch commands).
> Do they get updated if you move prefix with Office somewhere, or if you remove it? Steam example is even more artificial.
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> Maybe disabling it by default, and keeping that checkbox in winecfg, would be good for now, I don't know.

I'd really like desktop integration to "just work" for novice Wine
users who only have one prefix. Maybe we should disable all desktop
integration by default on prefixes other than $HOME/.wine, but in the
general case desktop integration for programs that the user installs
is a desirable thing.

-Alex